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#  Oct 15, 2008 at 7:58 AM
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There is no global warming, man is not responsible for any significant climate change, and people who believe in the political/media hype are morons.

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#  Oct 15, 2008 at 8:48 AM
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This stinks of a flame thread, but OK, I'll bite:

Sounds like you are believing the political/media (FoxNews) hype.  Almost all reputable scientists believe humans are contributing significantly to global warming.  http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/
#  Oct 15, 2008 at 8:56 AM
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I agree that we should all recycle and use bio-renewable fuels blah blah blah.
But you're right that its hyped up by the media
'The temperture of the atmosphere is increasing' 
No its not, last year the average temp of the earth decreased 1.8 celcius
'The rainforests are dispeapearing!'
Wrong.There is still rainforest on Earth the size of AUSTRAILIA, the Brazil goverment says they are only going to sell timber when 3 more trees have been planted for each tree sold.
'There's been a drought in the middle of nowhere, Sent your millions to help these poor people.'
Er... what? I'm sorry haven't we been doing that for the past 30 years? "This child has to live in a slum, his life is terrible. There he is drinking from that well that was built in 1982, standing with his mates outside that school that was built in 1985, running around in a Manchester United shirt..."
And besides why are sending or money to Ugandiland when half of the frigging village has turned up in a van and is now living next door to me. Buying cars and nice shoes from the money handed to them from the goverment and trowing pebbles at passing cars.
Don't send them money, give it me to help pay off my student loans, get a gift for my disabled nan and BUY A SHOTGUN TO KILL THE FUCKERS 
#  Oct 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM
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Lou, your argument is unfounded and unsupported.  If you are going to start a thread like this, at least provide some form of proof, or support for your argument, so that we can have something to discuss.  Otherwise it's just your opinion, and why would we want to discuss your opinion?  think you are smarter than the scientific community?

Give me a break!

The ice caps ARE melting.   The glaciers ARE decreasing in size.  For the past century humans have been shitting on this earth in more ways than nature intended us to do.   You cannot deny that we have a major impact on our planet, and our environment.
#  Oct 15, 2008 at 9:01 AM
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There may be global warming but it has nothing if not a microscopic thing to do with the climate patterns thus far and weather change... the hurricanes and such. Weather has always been extremely cyclical.. we've had hurricanes just as bad as now 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 150 years ago and so on. The cycle isn't exactly 50 years but it's disgusting how much hype is put into "global warming" affecting the weather. It's all cyclical my friends.

Global warming is real, just exaggerated in regards to how *much* it affects the weather.
#  Oct 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dgblmb
I agree that we should all recycle and use bio-renewable fuels blah blah blah.
But you're right that its hyped up by the media
'The temperture of the atmosphere is increasing' 
No its not, last year the average temp of the earth decreased 1.8 celcius
'The rainforests are dispeapearing!'
Wrong.There is still rainforest on Earth the size of AUSTRAILIA, the Brazil goverment says they are only going to sell timber when 3 more trees have been planted for each tree sold.
'There's been a drought in the middle of nowhere, Sent your millions to help these poor people.'
Er... what? I'm sorry haven't we been doing that for the past 30 years? "This child has to live in a slum, his life is terrible. There he is drinking from that well that was built in 1982, standing with his mates outside that school that was built in 1985, running around in a Manchester United shirt..."
And besides why are sending or money to Ugandiland when half of the frigging village has turned up in a van and is now living next door to me. Buying cars and nice shoes from the money handed to them from the goverment and trowing pebbles at passing cars.
Don't send them money, give it me to help pay off my student loans, get a gift for my disabled nan and BUY A SHOTGUN TO KILL THE FUCKERS 

So many errors, where to begin...

1)  Temperature change must be viewed over many years in order to see the trend.  Just because last year's average was lower does not mean global warming is not happening.

2)  The problem with the rainforests is the illegal deforestation.  The Brazilian government has many good laws to try to preserve the rainforest.  The problem is the private companies ignore the laws.  And because the area is so large, it is too hard for the government to enforce.

3)  The amount of money sent to poor communities is not enough to fix the underlying problem, even if we've been sending money for 30+ years.  So because the underlying problems are not getting fixed adequately, they continue to live in poverty.  But it is up to you and your morals to determine if paying off your student loans are more important than saving lives.
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I want to interject.  First off, this is me:  http://www.psice.psu.edu/About_Us.htm (the spaceghost avatar yup). 

the science:
Ok then.  The physics of greenhouse gasses is known to perfection.  nobody debates it.  nobody.  Simply, the more GHG (Green House Gasses, mostly CO2) in the atmosphere, the more heat the atmosphere can hold.  We are pumping a metric shit-ton of GHGs into the atmosphere. 

That is pretty much the entire global warming problem. 

Now the climate system is VERY complicated, parts of it are non-linear, yet very predictable.  We are, in fact, able to model the earths climate very very well. 

There is no debate except in the media.  There were a couple of "scientists" that set out to disprove global warming.  They turned out to be a sociologist and a petroleum geologist, funded by Exxon.  Many media and political bums cite their "study," but no one in the scientific community gives a shit.

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And don't believe what comes out of the White House when it comes to climate change and global warming.

http://www.climateark.org/shared/reader/welcome.aspx?linkid=68203
#  Oct 15, 2008 at 9:24 AM
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#  Oct 15, 2008 at 9:29 AM
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Momma told me never to feed the trolls, but they look so darn cute when they beg like this.

Here's my take on it.  Let's assume that OP is correct for a moment.  This does not make pollution a good thing. It actually still fits nicely into the bad things category.  Reducing carbon emissions and recycling and all that are good whether or not global warming is real or not.  I am tired of hearing people oppose pollution reducing legislation simply on the grounds that they don't believe in global warming.

However the OP is wrong, and there is no credible source saying that global warming is untrue.  All I have seen are political analysts and journalists.  There may be actual scientists, but I've never seen one.  There are a lot of unanswered questions, but there is enough knowledge about that we can be certain that we need to act.

While we're on the subject, I would like to mention another environmental threat that is as big as global warming.  Eutrophication.  Nutrient runoff from farms goes into rivers and into oceans where algae grows like mad.  Soon it also begins to die like mad and all of the decomposing algae sucks all of the oxygen out of the water so that nothing can live there and the algae forms a layer of slime on the bottom.  In parts of the Gulf of Mexico this layer of dead algae is up to two feet thick.  The dead zones around large rivers grow every year.  When coupled with overfishing and warmer oceans (also more acidic from the increased CO2), and normally resilient ecosystems are quickly disappearing.  Find out more below.

Or we could spend all our money on new toys for the military, since that's worked so well in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutrophication
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